libidilatimmy
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I hear ya, I'm just bitter at how the whole thing was handled by them. As far as the blackout goes, a guy not giving out their true PP totals is about like a girl not giving out there true weight!
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Why don't you give them a chance to see what they put in the paper and see what shakes out. Chit happens and it didn't work out in yer favor. No reason to rail on some office secretary who probably doesn't have a clue what's going on. I went 12 years starting in the late 80's where I only drew one elk license. Go buy a general license and get over it...
libidilatimmy
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For the record, the lady I spoke with this morning was the only one out of four who I was in contact with that was unprofessional, the others were very polite. I'm not ranting because I didn't draw "my tag", but rather on the premise that this whole situation was handled by the department in a nonchalant manner. I seriously doubt that whatever ends up in the papers is going to be much more than this, http://wgfd.wyo.gov/web2011/news-1002097.aspx. I will buy my general tag and go hunting, as I've done several times before and just like most of the unsuccessful applicants in this years drawing.
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Rick is right and if you have never made a mistake you're the only one on the planet. For what it's worth I get emails from the G&F and just got one about this glitch. It stated that an error was made when the total quota was entered for unit 7-1 and the computer gave out over 1200 successfuls than it should have. When the mistake was found they went back in and went to the correct total and everyone with random numbers that was draw after that had their account changed from successful to the big UN. There was also a glitch with 124-4 cow tags in that no total was put into the computer, so it put out an UN to all who applied for that. That was redone and all the random numbers that were selected were changed from UN to Successful. The email stated that was the only two errors in the system they are aware of. On a personal note, this is the first time I've seen something get screwed up in the WY draw and I've only missed a couple years since 1992, so I agree with Rick that people should look at that and not give them any static, especially a person not even responsible at their Office.
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WapitiBob
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Back when I had my CNC shop I saw a mysterious $8,000 deposit to my bank account. Another $8,000 the following month, and another $8,000 the third month. That $24,000 stayed in my account for 6 months before is vanished as mysteriously as it appeared.
Most of us know right from wrong. It wasn't my money, and those 1,200 shouldn't have drawn those tags. Had they caught the error in an audit prior to posting, it would be just another "day after the draw" for us all.
Most of us know right from wrong. It wasn't my money, and those 1,200 shouldn't have drawn those tags. Had they caught the error in an audit prior to posting, it would be just another "day after the draw" for us all.
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libidilatimmy
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If you think that I just called up and started griping at a lady at the front desk you'd be wrong. I asked to speak with someone that could answer some questions I had about yesterday's draw and was transferred to the lady mentioned before. I agree with a lot of what you're saying and am perfectly aware that mistakes are made by everyone, including me. Also, this was not one persons error, but rather a conglomerate of oversight's made by several people.
On a side note, I'm very glad that I didn't have my cousins kids in the draw with me, as was planned, where I would of called them and told them we were going elk hunting this fall yesterday morning, only to have to call them back yesterday evening to tell them there was a mistake and we weren't going to be able to go, which would have devastated them, I'm sure. You know that happened to several first-time applying 12-year olds out of the 1200.
The way tags are going these days you better start applying or there might not be any leftovers some year. lol
I am told things are looking good this year for Wyoming antelope. Beat the odds and and drew a decent tag. Looking forward to the always fun Wyoming antelope hunt.
Speaking of draw oddities, anyone hear where all the tags for 87 deer went? Only 9 issued which is 16 less than the final quota numbers listed.
Speaking of draw oddities, anyone hear where all the tags for 87 deer went? Only 9 issued which is 16 less than the final quota numbers listed.
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The total tag numbers listed in the Final Regulation include those that will be taken by landowners before they even have the draws. The other 16 tags in unit 87 went to landowners before the draw was done for the remaining 9 that are showing in the resident draw. There also has to be at least 10 tags left for the draw before a NR even has the chance at 1 tag. That's why all the draws for NRs in 87 showed 0. The problem with the way Wyoming has there landowner license system set up is that if there are enough landowners in a unit that want tags and there aren't that many tags to be issued they could take them all and there wouldn't be any left to even have a resident draw . That system needs some drastic changes and 87-1 was a good example this year. Most people, including a lot of residents, don't have any idea that is how the Wyoming tag system is set up. The only good thing to be said about landowner tags in Wyoming is they aren't transferable to anyone outside the family that owns the property.
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birdhunter
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Another bad thing about Wyo landowner tags IMHO, is that they can hunt anywhere in that area. I feel that if they get a landowner tag, they should have to hunt on their land. That is why they are awarded these tags, because they have wildlife on their land and want a tag to hunt them.
I can understand having some landowner tags but giving nearly 2/3 to landowners is quite a bit I'd say. They could have atleast put 1 tag up for NR's. They should atleast notify anyone apply for units where there will be no tags so they could change their app if they want to.
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***Like I said in my other post, the landowners could actually take all the tags in a unit if there were enough of them compared to the number of tags the G&F decides to allot for that given unit. I also think they should be restricted to their own property with that tag! Huntin Fool was really getting raked over the coals when guys saw the 87-1 stats for NRs because they were touting the unit as real good and probably even applied a bunch of their paying customers in their tag application system for a unit that ended up not even having any NR tags available! IMHO the G&F should require all the landowner tags to be allotted and taken off the Final Regulation numbers so it only shows what will actually be in the draws. The way it is now is very deceiving and actually deceptive if you were able to look into the stats to see how many landowners do automatically get tags before the draws for the total numbers shown in the Final Reg. At least, thank the Lord, Wyoming does not allow them to be transferred/sold to anyone else or it would be a real mess and preclude a lot of lower income people from getting a tag because if you look at other states that do allow it those tags aren't cheap!
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And that right there....
Seriously, both of you make good points and I had no idea that it was like that in WY. The good thing is the fact that they are non-trans tags.
libidilatimmy
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I think that if their going to issue any landowner tags, there should be a minimum number of tags available to the rest of us. Say if that number was 50 or so, current quota under that number, the landowners get put in the drawing with the rest of us, over that number and they can get the separate LO tags. Heck, that late season deer tag in 128 where they don't give out any LO tags, they could completely wipe out the quota there if that were allowed to happen. I'm not sure if any other area is treated the same way, but it's not like they don't have some measures to take to make draw odds in these situations be a little more fair to everyone.
Is there any limit to the LO tags? Does every LO that applies and meets their requirements get a tag? I am all for LO's getting a tag but I also think they should only be able to hunt their own property with them. If they only hunted their own property I think they could give out a few more tags without really affecting the populations.
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No and yes to your two questions, respectively! I also agree with your comments, but that's not the way it works in Wyoming! Each landowner, whether resident or NR, that has 160 acres of contiguous deeded land that has 2000 animal use days per species in a calendar year can apply for one full price and one reduced price license for each species that qualifies. Those licenses are then removed from the resident and NR pools before the draws are held. That's why there are two different dates that the resident or NR has to apply for them due to the difference in draw dates. The area Game Warden handles it and you can bet that as long as they own 160 acres that they aren't going to look at the other restrictive qualification very close to give them the requested licenses.
EDIT: What is really bad about this landowner tag situation is that they can divide up their ranch into a number of 160 acre sections and put them under different family member names as owner in the tax rolls and then each of those 160 acre sections qualifies for the two licenses! That's what I understand the Carter family near TenSleep did a few years ago to get extra licenses. They ran/run an outfitting/guiding operation and got caught allowing nonresidents to use those tags when they can only be used by the owner or a close family member. At least two or three were sentenced under the Lacey Act along with some nonresidents who took animals kiiled illegally with those tags across state lands to their home states, but even though there were some pretty good money judgements, it wasn't nearly enough to compensate for the crimes and all the time State and Federal agents spent on the case.
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