It took them 5 years of throwing big money at the rancher to get it done,but they now have exclusive rights to the land.Enough crying,I have regrouped and have bought 5 maps from US Forest service and have the Hunting GPS Maps.I should be hunting just mule deer this year in region H,Wyoming.I don't want anyone to tell me there hunting spot.I have some questions about the maps.What I am trying to do is not have any suprises when I arrive for a 2 week hunt.I have picked out a few spots that look good.There will be 3 of us,we are well equiped for camping.Being from Indiana,I plan on being in WY 2 days before season,not much time to find camping spot thats not far from hunting spots.I am looking at 151,152. I would really like to private message or even call to someone that knows,or lives in those units.Any help would be greatly appreciated.
20 plus years at same ranch,WY, Lost it to rich doctors ,lawyers.
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Hey dick56, go over to the introductions section and let us get to know you a bit. There are a lot of guys here who would really help you out, but we want to get to know you a little bit. Kind of like a handshake around here!
Againstthewind
Very Active Member
They must be mega rich to buy a ranch in that area. Sorry about the loss of hunting area. The billionaires are pushing out the millionaires. Must be rough. Hopefully they keep ranching the land. They could buy me out if they wanted. Too bad trailer parks aren't the newest style. There is an outfitter from that general area that is pretty regular on this site that is probably a good resource. Introductions like ScottR said seem to work out pretty well.
Hey, I put a hand shake out there.I hope I didn't get long winded.I hope to talk to you again,Thanks Dick
Hey againstthewind, The ranch is east of Douglas.The bad part about the whole thing is the rich showed up at the ranch saying they got burned out of good hunting where they were hunting at and had a friend with them that was dieing of cancer.That got to the ranchers heart,and let them hunt for free.I even help show them the property lines and where to go.Well the next year they showed up and bought the rancher a new barn for 3 days of hunting.If you can call it hunting,they hired a guide to find the game and they would show up from the holiday in to shoot them.Next year they wanted exclusive rights to the best part of the ranch while they were there,next year they wanted best part of ranch entire 2 weeks ,even though they were only there 3 days.Now its the whole ranch.The money they are giving him I don't understand why they don't just buy land.You are right about the rich,they fly in from an over sea hunt,hunt Wyoming,then colorado,then south dakota before going home to Georgia,every year.Way to much money!!!Can't blame the rancher,with all the droughts and fires.Its just sad friendship has a price.
Againstthewind
Very Active Member
Oh, I was thinking about 151 and the Jackson area, but I guess the same thing is happening all over. My buddy used to do scale calibrations on some of those places and things are changing it sounds like.
HI WapitiBob, I'm sorry ,but you are taking this wrong.I'm just trying to explain why I'm looking for infomation on hunting a new place.I know how important everyones hunting honey hole is.Just looking for some general info.There is no beef with the rancher,He always treated me like family.Some times there is no option,MONEY it's what everyone wants and needs.
WapitiBob
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OregonJim
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Dick, it says a lot that you don't hold any hard feelings against the rancher.
I had a similar situation where I took a friend to a real honey hole farm where only a few folks had permission to hunt.
I had hunted it for a few years and the hook up had been past down selectively for about a decade from other folks who had come and gone. Not the most sporting property since the animals sneaked out of the timber and sucked up the farmers green grass every night and lived in a small tract of land. It had a 1-3 bull to cow ratio and was a awesome little hunt with some great animals.
A year after I took the guy there, I was on the outside, having to "clear it" with this "friend", I had introduced to the farmer and the property. I wish I could be as kind as you about the situation!
I am a firm believer that what goes around comes around. Ironically after taking two nice bulls, my guy (the new gatekeeper) is out of the picture because he was forced into retirement and is moving 3000 miles. I would be allowed access again, but I will not be returning to the property even though it is really not the ranchers fault.
I actually have used it to motivate me to seek out other options and hunt a little "wilder game".
I don't think a little piece of bottom land is worth a friendship but obviously not everyone sees it that way.
Again I applaud you for not holding a grudge.
I had a similar situation where I took a friend to a real honey hole farm where only a few folks had permission to hunt.
I had hunted it for a few years and the hook up had been past down selectively for about a decade from other folks who had come and gone. Not the most sporting property since the animals sneaked out of the timber and sucked up the farmers green grass every night and lived in a small tract of land. It had a 1-3 bull to cow ratio and was a awesome little hunt with some great animals.
A year after I took the guy there, I was on the outside, having to "clear it" with this "friend", I had introduced to the farmer and the property. I wish I could be as kind as you about the situation!
I am a firm believer that what goes around comes around. Ironically after taking two nice bulls, my guy (the new gatekeeper) is out of the picture because he was forced into retirement and is moving 3000 miles. I would be allowed access again, but I will not be returning to the property even though it is really not the ranchers fault.
I actually have used it to motivate me to seek out other options and hunt a little "wilder game".
I don't think a little piece of bottom land is worth a friendship but obviously not everyone sees it that way.
Again I applaud you for not holding a grudge.
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Dearhunter3450
Active Member
I wish you luck on your hunt. It sucks losing your spot. It happens all the time here in NY. Someone with a lot more money then I will ever have offers to pay a farmers taxes for the year in exchange for hunting rights the farmer jumps on it. Cant blame the farmer at all, money talks.
Colorado Cowboy
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Not an isolated incident. I had hunted on a very large Wyoming ranch starting in about 1980 and paid a small trespass fee. Worked great for a long time, then the owner passed away and his son took over and started leasing the elk hunting out to an outfitter. W e could not hunt elk anymore and the fee for deer and antelope doubled. Then a few years later the outfitter took it all. Pretty sad deal, but I didn't own it for sure and money talks.
Sfjeeper
Active Member
It's the same everywhere. Here in Northern California, it's almost impossible to find an affordable ranch to hunt. If you do find one, you had better keep it quiet. There are too many guys out here with more money, jacking up the prices for everyone, until it's just too expensive.
It's getting sad,I was hunting region B and that is mostly private lands.In the last ten years I have noticed that there is no younger hunters coming to that area any more.The watering holes used to be full of 18 to 20's year old hunting and having a good time cutting loose.They cant afford price of lic and a tresspass fee.
Do anyone know whats the deal is with the US forest maps that have hunting camps marked on them?
Do anyone know whats the deal is with the US forest maps that have hunting camps marked on them?
Murdy
Active Member
It amazes me what swamp land sells for in northern Wisconsin (grew up there). 40 years ago, you could hardly give it away, now, it nearly goes for as much as decent farm land.
Always a case of the haves and have nots. The guys hunting public ground grumble about over crowding in areas they've hunted for years. The guys who can afford a trespass fee grumble about outfitters and folks with more money than themselves squeezing them out. I have a cousin who runs an outfitting business and he was grumbling a couple weeks ago that he lost his lease on a ranch near Sheridan because the owner sold it to some wealthy guy from back east.
No complaints here. Just booked a guided deer hunt last night to lock in my spot before the draw results come out...
No complaints here. Just booked a guided deer hunt last night to lock in my spot before the draw results come out...
Topgun 30-06
Banned
Those camps are not private property, but rather are on Federal property and used by private individuals that lease the site from the USFS.
Hi TOPGUN, are you saying it might be an outfitter camp?I even seen one that has a gate right after the camp on a trail that is marked for high clearance vehicles.Can they stop people from driving past the gate?Is there going to be lease rights on National forest to deal with?
PointsHunter
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It does suck to lose your spot. I'm not even that old (39) and can't hunt the Utah land I grew up hunting...old land owner never cared about a large swath on the mountain that backed into public. New owner won't allow access and it blocks the public. It is kinda sad that I can't walk the same ground with my son that I walked with my dad.
At least in the west there is a huge amount of public land and leasing is still relatively rare as compared with eastern and southern states. I've lived in both and it's a pain in the butt just to find a place to hunt. Much easier to fly back west than fight the lease madness. I guess it's a matter of glass half full.
At least in the west there is a huge amount of public land and leasing is still relatively rare as compared with eastern and southern states. I've lived in both and it's a pain in the butt just to find a place to hunt. Much easier to fly back west than fight the lease madness. I guess it's a matter of glass half full.
Topgun 30-06
Banned
No, I'm not saying that! They are camps that people just like you and I lease from the Feds and they don't have any control over the property or roads in the area. That would be up to the Feds and they will have signs up if there are any road restrictions in the area. They strictly have use of the building on the property and have no right to keep you from accessing any of the land around it. Generally the property is probably only an acre or so that the build is on. One area that I'm aware of is called "Camp Remington" and it's just outside the northern boundary of Custer State Park in the Black Hills of SD not far from Mt. Rushmore. There are a lot of cabins on one deadend USFS road approximately 2 miles long that gives access to them. I've turkey hunted that entire area every time I've gone out there with no problem at all and there are no signs anywhere limiting public access to the entire area.
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Thanks Topgun 30-06,My post sorta got off the wrong way for most of it.I really didn't mean to come off that I was complaining about loosing hunting spot.I was trying to give reason I was looking for info on region H.After hunting Wyoming for over 20 years and going into a new area. I want to learn as much as I can before getting there.Good hunting to you!