Savage barrel rise

[Roboz]

So i purchased a Savage 116 Weather Warrior in 270WSM, love the feel and features of the gun but the muzzle rise is terrible, i'm not sure if a muzzle brake is the fix but i also don't understand why it is so bad. When i pull the trigger on this rifle off the bench, by the time it settles back down you aren't even looking at the target. i have never had a rifle do this, any ideas on a fix? I think it might be time to sell. My 300 is a dream to shoot compared to this thing.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

A muzzle break will help for sure. Another thing you could do is add some weight to the muzzle end of the gun. I would get some lead strips or wheel weights and tape them temporarily to the barrel and see if it helps. If it does, experiment until you find the amount of weight that works best for you. You will need an accurate scale and some electrical tape and some range time. Don't worry about accuracy at this time. After you find something that works, tape it to the forend and see if the results are the same. I would hog out some or the forend inside the barrel channel and epoxy in the lead.

One of my Bulls Eye pistols has a different weight and balance. I weighted the 2 pistols and determined the difference and taped some extra weight near the muzzle of the lighter one and now I can't tell the difference. Ain't purty, but it works and I can remove it if I want to.

Just might help some.

 

[Roboz]

Might have to give that a try, i work in a shop so we have a ton of the stick on weights.

 

[Tim McCoy]

I'd like hear from CC or someone more experienced than me on this, but could a bedding issue be a contributor too? Maybe screws need torqueing or it lacks firm stock contact where it is needed? I don't shoot that cartridge, but would expect it's recoil to be a bit snappy, as in a fairly high intensity quick recoil pulse? So some muzzle rise in a moderate weight rifle would be normal I'd guess. I do know adding weight will help but am wondering if there could be other contributing factors.

 

[Roboz]

It also has the Accustock on it, i don't think that would have any affect but its possible, this is the only rifle i have with the accustock so i cant compare. Its accurate but you definitely wouldn't get a follow up shot if needed, you wouldn't be able to find it in the scope again.

 

[Tim McCoy]

Good accuracy would tend to suggest no screw torque or bedding issues, it was kind of a wild guess on my part. I'd get out the lead stick on's and see how she behaves, like CC suggests.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

There are a number of things that could cause the problem. I suggested adding some weight because it is a pretty easy fix. Another problem could be stock fit. I used to make stocks ( I have made several 100 rifle & shotgun stocks) and poor fit can cause lots of problems. The angle of the recoil pad/butt plate can be very problematic. I'll draw a picture of a way to fix this problem and scan it and post it.

 

[DRUSS]

my wife won a savage 300wsm a few years ago. we experienced similar issue plus recoil was not very pleasant either. I did have a brake put on it. it shoots good and did before brake installation. but man is it loud................

 

[Musket Man]

How heavy is it and how long is the barrel?

 

[geargrinder]

Those Savage plastic stocks do not have good ergonomics. I had one in 308 and it was murder to shoot.

Get a decent stock on it and it will suprise you how different it will feel. I'm a lefty so I don't have many choices for stocks. I have a couple Stockade stocks and really like them. Built very similar to HS Precisions stocks. I also have a couple Boyd laminates that I like. B&C would also be a good one to look at.

 

[M.Bird]

The biggest cause if muzzle jump: a stock that is not fitted to the person. if the pitch of the stock is to great, this will create lots of rise in the muzzle.
yes a muzzle break will stop muzzle jump, but a properly fitted stock will be enjoyable to shoot

V/R
M.Bird

 

[Slugz]

What M Bird said. That's not a BIG gun you shouldn't have issues IMO. I'd double check LOP and fit.

 

[Roboz]

Thanks guys, sounds like we are on to something. Never really gave the stock any thought, not sure why??? I haven't weighed it but specs say 7.15 lbs with 24" barrel. New stock may be on the way, i really like my medalist so i may have to purchase another. Thanks for everyone's input.

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

Made some sketches, won't let me upload PDF files. You get the idea tho....

If the toe of the stock is toward the forend, it will increase the felt recoil and cause muzzle jump. The toe should point more toward the shooter.

 

[Roboz]

I guess that might explain it, the toe is definitely not pointed towards the shooter. I think i will put a new stock on it and see what that gets me. Thanks CC

 

[Colorado Cowboy]

You could also shim the toe and see if that helps. Might give you a better idea of what your dealing with. If you get a new stock and need to change the length of pull. Take it to a gunsmith and explain your current problem, he could very well get it right.

 

[sneakypete]

I just like reading what CC & Tim have to say. I'm learning a lot from everyone's input!

 

[libidilatimmy]

Are you shooting with a bipod on? I realize that we're talking about two different animals here, but I have the same model rifle in 7-08 and it is jumpy on the front end without the bipod and the weight of the bipod takes most of that out

 

[Roboz]

No bipod, im going to try some weights and a little stock shimming and see what i come up with....when the snow quits.