Review of my optics set-up, maybe help those looking to purchase

mcseal2

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I went the long route to the optics I have now and spent more than was necessary. I'd get something a little better than what I had and end up selling it to upgrade later on. I ended up going top notch or darn close on everything in the long run and wish I'd have taken the shorter and cheaper route getting there. I should have just saved up the first time and bit the bullet once on each piece. I spent several years putting my current set-up together but should be good for quite a while. Someday the technology will probably improve enough I'll upgrade again, but it won't be for a while. Years I struck out on drawing tags I put my hunting budget into optics. Now I'm just putting my hunting budget into hunting for a while!

Several of you here, especially Bitterroot Bulls, helped me along the way and I'd like to thank you all for that help.

Anyway, here is what I ended up with and a review on each of them.

BINOS

For "truck binos" in my vehicles I have 8x30 Steiner Predators, a set of 8x42 Zeiss Conquests, and Minox 8x42's, not sure of the model. I got all used and they work well in decent light at normal range. I use several different vehicles around the ranch and use the glass regularly when checking cattle as well as for evaluating game. Having halfway decent glass in the trucks helps me keep my good stuff in the gun safe except for actual hunting or scouting trips.

Leica Geovid 10x42 HD-B's.
I am very impressed with the glass, they seem to work very well with my eyes. The internal rangefinder is very fast and accurate also. I can pick up the tree row reliably at 1400yds from my porch, and have ranged deer reliably at 800 in a flat alfalfa field under various conditions. I picked these up used off a forum also and they are probably the best purchase I've ever made for my hunting addiction. I haven't used the Swaro version, but have been extremely pleased with these. The rangefinder seems so much easier to steady when built into the binos than the smaller units. I sometimes use them on a tripod with a Nikon Velcro strap mount and the rangefinder is even better when it's that steady.

Swaro 15x56 HD's
These were the last piece of glass I picked up but I'm sure glad I did. The increased magnification is very helpful when glassing long distances from the tripod. I found myself taking them even to the deer blind for whitetail and setting them up on the tripod to evaluate the bucks that showed up at last light several hundred yards away. Eyestrain is much less than using a spotter for long sessions. Binos like this don't fit everyones use but I use mine even more than I thought I would. I seem to pack the extra weight and take them more than I dreamed I would especially if hunting with a partner who has a spotter. I can find more game with these and we can then dial it up with the spotter for evaluation.

SPOTTERS

Nikon ED50
I bought this one early on in my optics search and still really like it. I don't use it nearly as much since I got a bigger one but don't regret owning it. Before I had a big spotter I used it all the time and it worked pretty well all around. Now it goes on hunts when I don't want to pack to much weight. I used to leave the spotter and tripod at home sometimes and regret it. Now I take this little set-up just in case. I have a little cheap Slik Compact II tripod with a built in head that weighs 20oz and this spotter weighs 16oz. I hunt the end of the season in the unit I elk hunt, and lots of bulls are broken up. This little set-up can be just enough to show if it's worth crossing a canyon to get closer to a bull or if he's missing to much antler. Great for when using a spotter isn't a priority, or even planned, because it's light enough to be along just in case.

Swaro 20-60x80HD ATS
This is why the Nikon doesn't get used as much anymore. It's heavy but impressive. I do a lot of scouting whitetail around home and often they are moving only very early and late. This spotter has really helped me evaluate what is in the area, and what gets broke up during the rut. I try to leave it in the safe with the binos as much of the time as I can, but seem to keep getting it out for something. During our calving season I take it along to see if a calf has nursed the cow without getting close and disturbing them. I should have made the ranch buy it!
 
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mcseal2

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TRIPODS

Slik Compact II
This is the cheap little light tripod I reviewed above, good for quick infrequent use with the ED50 for evaluating elk. Not real smooth or stable for long glassing sessions but just enough sometimes and only 20oz. I pack it and the ED50 when I'd leave the heavier spotter and tripod behind.

Outdoorsmans compact medium
This is the main tripod I use. I really like their quick attach mount and that I can switch between binos, spotter, and the rifle rest quickly. It's more stable than my other tripods when I don't need standing height and easy to put in a pack. With this, the rifle rest, and the pistol grip head I leave my shooting sticks at home as this is multi-purpose. For shooting its slower to deploy than the sticks or bipod, but very steady and the pistol grip head makes it quick and easy to get on game and adjust for their movements. I am a big fan of both the Outdoorsmans heads. The pistol grip head with the panner attachment is very versatile and quick to get on game with. It's my favorite when not slowly and methodically picking apart lots of country. With the panner it works pretty well for that too. The panning head is perfect for grid glassing large areas and reduces eyestrain. It's probably better with the spotter, but I like the pistol grip better with the binos and rifle rest.

Promaster 525T
I was going to sell this tripod after getting the Outdoorsmans and get a second Outdoorsmans in a tall. Then I found that the panner, pistol grip head, and bino adapter makes it just tall enough to use standing with my Swaro 15x binos. I can glass downhill or flat country without hunching at all, but uphill I have to bend a little. I'm 5'10" for anyone considering this set-up. I'm purchasing a second Outdoorsmans panner and quick attach mount so I can use this tripod with all the accessories for my other one. They weigh basically the same and this ones only an inch or so longer when compacted. This is a great all around tripod, probably more versatile than my Outdoorsmans but not quite as steady at the same height. Not to much difference though. I really like the design of this one, one leg unscrews to make a hiking pole if needed. That can be handy packing meat especially if a set wasn't on the packing list for that day. It also has a hook so a pack,bag of rocks, any improvised weight can be hung from the center post for added stability. A mesh bag that weighs very little can be carried and filled with rocks and hung here if needed.

Well, that's what I use and what I think of it. If anyone has any questions about any of it I'd be happy to answer. I read lots of reviews like this to help me make my decisions, figured I'd return the favor. Hope it helped some people.
 
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mcseal2

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Since my initial post here I added a used Swaro STM 65 spotter to the list. It's lighter and much smaller than the 80mm Swaro and brighter than the ED50. I haven't used it a ton yet, I'll post more about it after I use it scouting more and take it on some hunts. I decided there was enough of a gap between my 50mm and 80mm scopes to justify owning it when I found a really good deal on it. I will see if that holds true as I use it more.

I got an Eberlestock X1A2 pack for day hunts with the spotter pockets on the outside. The STM spotter fits in them with it's protective case on but just barely. The ATS wouldn't fit. Having the tripod in one pocket and spotter in the other outside the pack is sure handy and one reason I bought the STM. I like this pack much better than the X1A1 it replaced for this reason, and because the scabbard is centered on the pack. I have an Eberlestock Mainframe and Transformer also that I set up the same way for when I want the pack frame. Now I need to sell some of my old packs!
 

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You hit on a great point.....its hard to find the right pack that has good spotting scope pockets on the outside. Good = not a complete red A-- to get it out. Thanks again for the intel.
 

Fins_N_Tines

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TRIPODS

Slik Compact II
This is the cheap little light tripod I reviewed above, good for quick infrequent use with the ED50 for evaluating elk. Not real smooth or stable for long glassing sessions but just enough sometimes and only 20oz. I pack it and the ED50 when I'd leave the heavier spotter and tripod behind.

Outdoorsmans compact medium
This is the main tripod I use. I really like their quick attach mount and that I can switch between binos, spotter, and the rifle rest quickly. It's more stable than my other tripods when I don't need standing height and easy to put in a pack. With this, the rifle rest, and the pistol grip head I leave my shooting sticks at home as this is multi-purpose. For shooting its slower to deploy than the sticks or bipod, but very steady and the pistol grip head makes it quick and easy to get on game and adjust for their movements. I am a big fan of both the Outdoorsmans heads. The pistol grip head with the panner attachment is very versatile and quick to get on game with. It's my favorite when not slowly and methodically picking apart lots of country. With the panner it works pretty well for that too. The panning head is perfect for grid glassing large areas and reduces eyestrain. It's probably better with the spotter, but I like the pistol grip better with the binos and rifle rest.

Promaster 525T
I was going to sell this tripod after getting the Outdoorsmans and get a second Outdoorsmans in a tall. Then I found that the panner, pistol grip head, and bino adapter makes it just tall enough to use standing with my Swaro 15x binos. I can glass downhill or flat country without hunching at all, but uphill I have to bend a little. I'm 5'10" for anyone considering this set-up. I'm purchasing a second Outdoorsmans panner and quick attach mount so I can use this tripod with all the accessories for my other one. They weigh basically the same and this ones only an inch or so longer when compacted. This is a great all around tripod, probably more versatile than my Outdoorsmans but not quite as steady at the same height. Not to much difference though. I really like the design of this one, one leg unscrews to make a hiking pole if needed. That can be handy packing meat especially if a set wasn't on the packing list for that day. It also has a hook so a pack,bag of rocks, any improvised weight can be hung from the center post for added stability. A mesh bag that weighs very little can be carried and filled with rocks and hung here if needed.

Well, that's what I use and what I think of it. If anyone has any questions about any of it I'd be happy to answer. I read lots of reviews like this to help me make my decisions, figured I'd return the favor. Hope it helped some people.
Great review on tripods. Does anyone have any advice on a tripod under $150? I really like the Slik 624/634 and Outdoorsmans but just can't swing that money right now. I'm looking at the Vanguard Veo series currently as they seem pretty solid.

Thanks

Adam
 

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Swaro 15x56 HD's
These were the last piece of glass I picked up but I'm sure glad I did. The increased magnification is very helpful when glassing long distances from the tripod. I found myself taking them even to the deer blind for whitetail and setting them up on the tripod to evaluate the bucks that showed up at last light several hundred yards away. Eyestrain is much less than using a spotter for long sessions. Binos like this don't fit everyones use but I use mine even more than I thought I would. I seem to pack the extra weight and take them more than I dreamed I would especially if hunting with a partner who has a spotter. I can find more game with these and we can then dial it up with the spotter for evaluation.
Do you take both the smaller binos and the 15x56?

I have a pair of Minox 10x43s and a Zeiss 18-45x65 spotter and am thinking of leaving the 10x binos behind if I pick up a 15x56 set. I know they're heavier, but I suspect I'll see more game. I can't haul around all three and the smaller binos would likely be the odd man out. On the other hand, I worry that I can't hold the larger binos steady when I'm quickly scanning an area while on the move.
 
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mcseal2

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Scouting I don't always take the 10x, but I always do hunting. I'd leave the 15x and use my Leicas on the tripod before leaving the Leicas. I think my Leica Geovids may be the best purchase I ever made for hunting, having the rangefinder built into the binos is awesome. I used to have my Leupold rangefinder in a pack or pocket and not use it half the time. Having it built into the binos is priceless to me. First thing I do from a new glassing point or one I haven't been to in a while is a quick scan for obvious game, then figure out how far away several landmarks are. Knowing distances ahead of time helps me make faster, smarter decisions about shots or stalks if the situation calls for it.

As I said earlier, I often hunt with a partner who has a Swaro spotter. We both have 80mm scopes, mine is the ATS and his is the STS. I also picked up a STM 65 Swaro spotter too. I think when weight is an issue he will end up packing my STM and I'll take the 15x binos when we are hunting together. Hunting solo and going light I bet I'll end up using the STM and my 10x binos a lot.

I don't think you will like handholding 15x binos for a full day of hunting. They are definitely at their best from a tripod or window mount. I do scan with mine when scouting and not taking the Leicas and it's ok for a short time, but eyestrain seems to catch up to me if I do it for long. It really depends what you are doing what works best, there will always be compromises. One of the best options I hear about at times is the Swaro EL series 12x50 for both a handheld and tripod bino. If I didn't love having my rangefinder in the Leicas so much I might try them myself.

Through Cameraland, SWFA, or classifieds on forums you might be able to take what you can get from your Minox and what you would spend on good 15x binos and get the 12x50 Swaros.
 

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Great review on tripods. Does anyone have any advice on a tripod under $150? I really like the Slik 624/634 and Outdoorsmans but just can't swing that money right now. I'm looking at the Vanguard Veo series currently as they seem pretty solid.

Thanks

Adam
I just had a Bogpod before getting these, and while it worked it wasn't all that great. I can't help much on that question.
 

Fins_N_Tines

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Vortex summit ss-p is what I use. .lightweight and works good for me. .worth a look

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Mntguide,
I was looking at that tripod and am very interested however I read some reviews that it was pretty unstable and the quick shoe attachment had some play in it. Have you found this the case?
 

mntnguide

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Mntguide,
I was looking at that tripod and am very interested however I read some reviews that it was pretty unstable and the quick shoe attachment had some play in it. Have you found this the case?
I find it to be plenty sturdy for what I use it for. .which is usually sitting/kneeling heights while glassing in the backcountry for extended periods of time. .the quick shoe works great, the place where I'm not happy with it is, the actual attachment that goes into the scope. .the screw comes loose quite easily and that's when you may think it's the shoe that's loose, but it's just the screw into your device. ..I'm about to put Loctite on my one that goes into my spotter to alleviate that issue. .other than that minor thing though. .I really like it for its price point and low weight for backpack hunting.

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Fins_N_Tines

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Thanks for all the input on tripods. I decided to order the Vortex summit SS-P. I should be delivered tomorrow just in time for next weeks hunt.

Adam