Here's an article http://www.aspendailynews.com/section/home/173537 about a public educational presentation to get people to lobby for the reintroduction of wolves in Colorado and spread the word. The logic is...well, read it for yourselves.
Reintroducing Wolves to Colorado
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Bonecollector
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I'm NOT for introducing the wolves back into Colorado. They may be there soon enough on their own giving time...
Colorado Cowboy
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Aspen ought to be fenced and a few wolves turned loose there. Then take a pole about whose for wolves!
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shootbrownelk
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Slugz
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Thanks hoshour for starting the thread. I actually had this on my to do list today. Cut and paste below from the RMEF President also that came out yesterday.
RMEF members,
COLORADO ELK ARE IN THE CROSSHAIRS
There is a very real movement going on in Colorado by animal rights and environmental groups to place Colorado’s elk herd in the crosshairs by reintroducing wolves. They refer to such efforts as “great,” “germane to the future of Colorado,” and also state “there’s no profound downside and there’s a real, big upside.”
Those of us who witnessed the wolf reintroduction into the Northern Rocky Mountains could not disagree more! Not only do wolves have a very real and measureable impact on elk and other wildlife but those pro-wolf groups change the rules. Once they have their foot in the door via wolf reintroduction, they move the goalposts by ignoring delisting criteria and filing lawsuit after lawsuit causing populations to grow well over objective.
We saw that in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and the Western Great Lakes. Such litigation began in the 2000’s and lawsuits are still pending today. Wolf populations are currently nearly 500 percent above minimum recovery levels in the Northern Rockies and more than 250 percent above objective in the Western Great Lakes.
Now is the time to raise our voices. Contact your state representatives here and let them know how you feel about any possible wolf reintroduction.
Sincerely,
David Allen
RMEF President & CEO
RMEF members,
COLORADO ELK ARE IN THE CROSSHAIRS
There is a very real movement going on in Colorado by animal rights and environmental groups to place Colorado’s elk herd in the crosshairs by reintroducing wolves. They refer to such efforts as “great,” “germane to the future of Colorado,” and also state “there’s no profound downside and there’s a real, big upside.”
Those of us who witnessed the wolf reintroduction into the Northern Rocky Mountains could not disagree more! Not only do wolves have a very real and measureable impact on elk and other wildlife but those pro-wolf groups change the rules. Once they have their foot in the door via wolf reintroduction, they move the goalposts by ignoring delisting criteria and filing lawsuit after lawsuit causing populations to grow well over objective.
We saw that in Idaho, Montana, Wyoming and the Western Great Lakes. Such litigation began in the 2000’s and lawsuits are still pending today. Wolf populations are currently nearly 500 percent above minimum recovery levels in the Northern Rockies and more than 250 percent above objective in the Western Great Lakes.
Now is the time to raise our voices. Contact your state representatives here and let them know how you feel about any possible wolf reintroduction.
Sincerely,
David Allen
RMEF President & CEO
Slugz
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Link for the Senators, Representatives and Congressional maps. If you hunt in Colorado please join the crowd and make a phone call or write a letter. You dont have to be from Colorado to do this.
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Slugz
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/CO
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Slugz
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/CO
Slugz
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Not my circus, not my monkeys.
I was deeply involved in the WY/ID/MT wolf issue...time for someone else to step up. I can offer advice, but I'm not going to war again.
Simply not worth it...too much emotion, too little facts and reality.
tim
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the wolves will come, and is it better to be part of it and help with the management or let nature take it's course?
What I have seen is that just like the new economy, if you change your game, you are successful, in hunting where wolves are, you have to change your game to the new way. The guys that can do that, have been susccesful in the wolve states. I know this is not what people want, but it will not be the end of the world. Yes hunting will go down hill for awhile and then it will rebound and there will be some sort of balance. the problem is, it takes about 20 years for that to occur.
I am not saying bring them in. I am saying the wolve will show up eventually anyway.
What I have seen is that just like the new economy, if you change your game, you are successful, in hunting where wolves are, you have to change your game to the new way. The guys that can do that, have been susccesful in the wolve states. I know this is not what people want, but it will not be the end of the world. Yes hunting will go down hill for awhile and then it will rebound and there will be some sort of balance. the problem is, it takes about 20 years for that to occur.
I am not saying bring them in. I am saying the wolve will show up eventually anyway.
Slugz
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I dont disagree with you Tim.....we need though to keep the numbers/pairs in line with the stated programs when they start (min recovery levels and objective numbers)and prevent legislation/lobby groups to change the rules midstream.......I'd rather there would be no reintroduction though to begin with.
Prerylyon
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We have them in IA now. Two were shot last year by coyote hunters and positively genetically ID'd. It was openly reported by the IA DNR. Its not surprising, back when I bird hunted, we ran into them routinely in Northern WI, where they were thick and spreading. That was over 10 yrs ago. We have the deer to feed them-for now anyway. They likely walked across the frozen Mississippi or just swam across. I hope they open a season for them and manage them as the population grows. I don't see why they need to be "re- introduced". Seems like they are doing it on their own. But like any critter, they should be managed. Just my $0.02.
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MtnBuck
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Given the current political landscape of Colorado I wonder what the chances are of this getting pushed through? I would guess that the longer it drags out the less public support it will get from the average citizen as more and more Wolf encounters show up in mass media.
doesn't matter if it has public support . unless the public gets out and actively fights against it, it will be pushed through. same as it was in idaho ,wyoming, montana. public was not for it, they just didn't stand against it.
it will cost the state of colorado billions over time with zero positive effects to be offered.
it will cost the state of colorado billions over time with zero positive effects to be offered.
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I thought CPW voted if down last January. Guess it doesn't mean politics cant override them though
Colorado Cowboy
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I meant public vote. But just remember how the wolves got in Wy, Id, Ut & Mt. No vote there by anybody. Under the guise of too many deer, elk & moose and no predators to keep their numbers down (God forbid letting hunters do it!), the feds brought in the wolves to Yellowstone NP by misusing the Endangered Species Act. The NPS is bitching all the time about Rocky Mt NP being over populated with elk (I'm sure that's true), you can bet they could bring in wolves there without any state veto!