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wy-tex

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I wouldn't want to either. What I didn't really make clear is the archery type 9 tags would be archery only like they are today, type 1 tag could still be archery and rifle. Archery tag would without a doubt be less desirable, but some people only want to archery hunt.
Got your point, sorry for that confusion on my part.
The only thing I don't like about the Type 9, taking half the archery season away from type 1 tags. By that last week in Sept folks are showing up to rifle hunt and setting camps and shooting. Really changes the elk hunting that last week of Sept.
I do think they are good tag options for NR as many only get to have one hunt trip.
 

Triple BB

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Jun 22, 2013
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Hunting for the rich.........
The market will surely take care of demand. Stay home unless you have a pot of gold buried someplace. Who can afford to hunt Stone Sheep or Yukon Moose right now. Take the preference points away and open the blue chip area in NW Colorado for Elk. Let the market set the price. No thanks. I'm sure there can be improvements, but with the Hybrid Tag approach, anyone with 5 point has a chance, regardless of their bank account.
Has nothing to do with being rich. It?s about priorities. The number of guys I see with new trucks or wheelers or campers, etc., is mind boggling. Fact is, hunting in Wyoming is a privilege. No one is owed anything. Wyoming isn?t the most expensive State to hunt in, but given what it has to offer, it should be.
 

mallardsx2

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Wyoming isn?t the most expensive State to hunt in, but given what it has to offer, it should be.
I definitely see your point and I do agree that hunting is a privilege, not a right.

So with that in mind would you be concerned if we closed the gap between the NR and Resident fees?

I'm sure you wouldn't mind a resident increase since it has so much to offer for such a great value.

I wouldn't mind meeting in the middle at 385$ or so. lol

Bottom line is that we are all getting ripped off and all of the states are overspending like crazy because they want to beat the more more more drum.

I worked for the govt so I know what happens behind the scenes. If most of you knew what really happens with all of your money you would rise up against them. haha

Waiting in line is fine. I wait in line all the time in life. I have no problem with that. Getting ripped off by our Govt is wrong.
 
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shootbrownelk

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Has nothing to do with being rich. It?s about priorities. The number of guys I see with new trucks or wheelers or campers, etc., is mind boggling. Fact is, hunting in Wyoming is a privilege. No one is owed anything. Wyoming isn?t the most expensive State to hunt in, but given what it has to offer, it should be.
New trucks, wheelers and campers are almost always financed. Having one or all of them doesn't mean a guy is rich.
 

BuzzH

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I definitely see your point and I do agree that hunting is a privilege, not a right.

So with that in mind would you be concerned if we closed the gap between the NR and Resident fees?

I'm sure you wouldn't mind a resident increase since it has so much to offer for such a great value.

I wouldn't mind meeting in the middle at 385$ or so. lol

Bottom line is that we are all getting ripped off and all of the states are overspending like crazy because they want to beat the more more more drum.

I worked for the govt so I know what happens behind the scenes. If most of you knew what really happens with all of your money you would rise up against them. haha

Waiting in line is fine. I wait in line all the time in life. I have no problem with that. Getting ripped off by our Govt is wrong.
Seriously? We're all getting ripped off?

This crap gets old. I WILLINGLY apply for licenses in a dozen or so States each year. I WILLINGLY spend my time and money advocating for wildlife. I WILLINGLY am a life member of some sportsman's organizations. I WILLINGLY offer my experience to help with the cause.

How do you figure you're getting ripped off?

Keep in mind that, by Federal Law, the States have the right to discriminate against NR's any way they want. Up to, and including not even offering NR's a single tag for anything.

I've hunted/fished in AK, MT, CO, NM, AZ, WY, British Columbia, OR, WA, NV, ID, ND, SD, TX and probably some states I'm forgetting about.

Not once have I ever felt "ripped off" with the fees charged by the States to hunt and fish. I fail to see how anyone can make an argument that they're getting ripped off via fees when we pay all kinds of money for rifles, scopes, ammo, spotting scopes, binoculars, trucks, fuel, food, ATV's, clothing, boots, backpacks, tents, blah, blah blah?

The tags and license fee's are a small part of the cost and IMO, if you cant plan ahead to save for the tags, good stay home then. Take up golf...see if that's free.

The other thing I see all the time, that simply isn't true, is that GF and other Federal and State agencies are hurling money around and being wasteful. News flash, management costs money. Employees, in particular good ones, need to make a living. They have invested a boatload of time, as well as their own resources, to get degrees, paid their dues working seasonal/low paying tech jobs to get experience etc. They are professionals, they need to be compensated as such. Trust me, not many I know are doing their jobs because of the short hours and high pay...many donate a lot time (which IMO, they shouldn't).

Not to mention that the reality is, most all the State and Federal Agencies have been saddled with shrinking budgets and increased costs of doing business. Things like equipment needs, fuel, vehicles, employee benefits, salaries, basically the cost of doing business has increased across the board. We've been demanding agencies "do more with less" for 2 decades. Congress and State Legislatures have hamstrung State and Federal Agencies with shrinking budgets, less ability to increase staffing, and at the same time demand more from the Agencies.

What the public gets for the money they contribute is a bargain...and even if NR and R fee's both doubled, would still be a bargain.

I've had enough of the whining about license fee's from the very people who proclaim they "love the sport" and "care about wildlife". Time to step up and pay the freight...either with your time, your money, or your experience. Some of us pay with all three...and don't complain about it.

I'm over it...
 

mallardsx2

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Seriously? We're all getting ripped off?


How do you figure you're getting ripped off?

Honestly Buzz, you and I are so apart on our opinions that this conversation is hardly worth having.

I will say though that If you dont see an issue with the price gouging and non-resident discrimination going on in the western states then we are really worlds apart in our opinions.

If raising the prices through the roof is what it takes then so be it I guess. Being a non-resident only gives me the right to my opinion to fine places such as this website, not a vote that counts.

Sad part is, if I died and left it all to the Game and fish they would just piss it away and still raise the costs of licenses.. Its standard operating procedure for our Govt.

WTF do I care anyhow, I cant take my money with me.

I'm over it.
 
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Triple BB

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I definitely see your point and I do agree that hunting is a privilege, not a right.

So with that in mind would you be concerned if we closed the gap between the NR and Resident fees?

I'm sure you wouldn't mind a resident increase since it has so much to offer for such a great value.

I wouldn't mind meeting in the middle at 385$ or so. lol

Bottom line is that we are all getting ripped off and all of the states are overspending like crazy because they want to beat the more more more drum.

I worked for the govt so I know what happens behind the scenes. If most of you knew what really happens with all of your money you would rise up against them. haha

Waiting in line is fine. I wait in line all the time in life. I have no problem with that. Getting ripped off by our Govt is wrong.
Would have zero problems closing the gap. In fact, I’d be glad to pay what non rezi’s pay if they’d increase the percentage of tags going to residents.
 

BuzzH

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Honestly Buzz, you and I are so apart on our opinions that this conversation is hardly worth having.

I will say though that If you dont see an issue with the price gouging and non-resident discrimination going on in the western states then we are really worlds apart in our opinions.

If raising the prices through the roof is what it takes then so be it I guess. Being a non-resident only gives me the right to my opinion to fine places such as this website, not a vote that counts.

Sad part is, if I died and left it all to the Game and fish they would just piss it away and still raise the costs of licenses.. Its standard operating procedure for our Govt.

WTF do I care anyhow, I cant take my money with me.

I'm over it.
I would tend to agree with you...I don't live in fantasyland where I make believe fuel is 50 cents a gallon, a new vehicle is $1500, and employees should be working for 3 bucks an hour. I also live in reality, where I recognize that management of resources requires money.

Lets look at your being "ripped off" for a second.

All in for a pronghorn tag in Wyoming, NR fee, you're $350.

Fuel at 2.59/gallon this morning in Laramie. Your "contribution/being ripped off" paying for a NR pornghorn license...will pay for, at best, maybe 4 tanks of fuel and an hour of a wardens salary to protect the resource you claim to care so much about.

Way to go "all out"...
 

mallardsx2

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Spoken like a true government employee.

My sister works for the IRS. She acts the same way.

She told me one day that I should be happy that I only pay the taxes I do.... lol
 

GOSHENGRUNTER

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Well congrats to everyone that drew tags! I drew my deer tag (region 1 with 1 point) but missed my annual antelope tag (region 20 as a second choice).

I think it all boils down to a good economy. As a non resident who hunts all over the country and beyond, I don?t mind paying for the opportunity. I don?t like advocating for the prices to be increased though. One day l, the economy will blow again and there will be lots of guys who can?t afford 500-600 for 1 tag.

Wyoming G&F probably wastes money....but coming from a state where our DNR is pure comedy...id kill to have Wyoming managing is!

Congrats again to everyone who drew!


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Bonecollector

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I am not a moderator but I would advise all partaking in this thread to be respectable to one another. Remember we are all on the same team just looking at it from different angles. There are truths to both sides of this argument. Simply because one man is rich and one man is poor (depending on statistical data which takes into consideration more than just income)or another works for the IRS or the state game and fish department doesn?t make their opinion any better than someone else?s. They are still opinions for discussion until it turns into a negligent beat down. Facts are facts and there are very few laced in this thread.
For giggles and grins; my non-resident taxes pay for those wilderness areas and I?ll be darned if I?ll stay out of them while corner crossing. [emoji851]

As you were gentlemen...just better.
 

Dark Mavis

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Mar 6, 2015
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I think applicants are just getting better at the game of drawing tags. I used to buy points and only apply when I had enough points to draw a blue chip in the regular draw. Now I play in the special draw pool and get good green chip units as second choices, and still gain points every year for the blue chip unit I want to draw. I’m not the only redneck that’s figured it out.

It’s all Al Gores fault for inventing the internet.
 

JMBC

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Dec 16, 2013
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Poor white trash from MO. I don't care what the price is, I would just like the draw the tag I was after. The only reason I didn't is on me, I didn't pay the special. Love hunting Wyoming. It's my one out of state hunt a yr. I don't have the money to apply all the others as some do but again that's my fault.
Now my only question is... Do some of these people know what kind of tag they drew? Having hunted some of these difficult access areas, man are some of them in for a surprise I'd say. 40 acres in MO, sure you can kill a deer but geez 40 there aint much lol.
I'm sure I'll be out there again just sightseein this yr so everyone have some good hunts. Anybody need help in the butcherin area let me know!
 

ScottR

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Hunter numbers may be decreasing, but the electronic age has made everything available at the tips of your fingers. When I hunted out of state 20 years ago, I didn't know many or any other people that did. Now, with magazines and websites touting drawing strategies and units most serious hunters are branching out. I don't think we are gaining many hunters, but the ones we have are getting educated and more serious about it.

Rich
I think this is a major part of it.