firearm safety and hollywood

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the baldwin incident is a tragedy and my sympathies go out to the family and loved ones of his victim.

but to put that aside for the moment ,,, how does this occur???????????

could it be because few hollywood actor/actresses have any knowledge of guns or gun safety?

this incident is really quite telling as to the why of their anti gun stances . they simply know nothing!!!when it comes to anything gun related they are simply fools!!!!!!! people tend to fear what they do not know.

first rule of gun safety ... when handed a gun , NO GUN IS "SAFE "!!!!!
it is the responsibility of the man/woman holding it to know whether or not it is loaded. baldwin evidently didn't know this or he would not have taken this innocents life. he , of coarse can't possibly be held responsible though , because someone else was in charge of the safety of the situation?????????
he may not have loaded it but he damned sure should have been aware of what was in it!!!!!!!
perhaps all actors/actresses should be required to take a simple gun safety coarse before being paid millions to pretend to know how to use them????????????
better yet ,they should be required to go through the same training any officer of the law does. might just change their thinking a bit!


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the baldwin incident is a tragedy and my sympathies go out to the family and loved ones of his victim.

but to put that aside for the moment ,,, how does this occur???????????

could it be because few hollywood actor/actresses have any knowledge of guns or gun safety?

this incident is really quite telling as to the why of their anti gun stances . they simply know nothing!!!when it comes to anything gun related they are simply fools!!!!!!! people tend to fear what they do not know.

first rule of gun safety ... when handed a gun , NO GUN IS "SAFE "!!!!!
it is the responsibility of the man/woman holding it to know whether or not it is loaded. baldwin evidently didn't know this or he would not have taken this innocents life. he , of coarse can't possibly be held responsible though , because someone else was in charge of the safety of the situation?????????
he may not have loaded it but he damned sure should have been aware of what was in it!!!!!!!
perhaps all actors/actresses should be required to take a simple gun safety coarse before being paid millions to pretend to know how to use them????????????
better yet ,they should be required to go through the same training any officer of the law does. might just change their thinking a bit!


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The thing that I can’t understand is why was there a live round anywhere near the set? Really sad situation anyway you look at it, just leaves me dumbfounded!
 

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There is going to be some interesting information that should come out during the investigation. I don't believe that they have said if it was a actual live round or not. I did hear that I could of been part of the wadding or another piece of material from a blank or a previous shot.

But if it was indeed a live round with a slug in the cartridge then someone should hang for it. I also wonder just how much that the walk off by some of the technicians contributed to it.
 

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in the end it is the fault of the killer behind the trigger.

I realize this could possibly be an unfair assessment but it is also the way baldwin and the left judges others so I feel no compunction to show sympathy for him.
 

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There are going to be several layers of negligence on this one. Who is prosecuted will be determined by that. Live round will look very bad for sure, the armorer at minimum has a lot of questions, then producers who hired them etc.

So avoidable is the sad part.
 

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I was around the set of Steven Segal's movie Dark Territory and you never saw a firearm until the armorer brought it out to hand to the actor. That firearm was never out of their sight from the time that it came out of the prop trailer until the time they started shooting the scene.

You have to figure that most of the actors have no idea of how to check a firearm and if this one would of been checked they may of seen the blank round in the chamber but without pulling the round and looking they would never know if it was a actual live round or a blank.
 
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the baldwin incident is a tragedy and my sympathies go out to the family and loved ones of his victim.

but to put that aside for the moment ,,, how does this occur???????????

could it be because few hollywood actor/actresses have any knowledge of guns or gun safety?

this incident is really quite telling as to the why of their anti gun stances . they simply know nothing!!!when it comes to anything gun related they are simply fools!!!!!!! people tend to fear what they do not know.

first rule of gun safety ... when handed a gun , NO GUN IS "SAFE "!!!!!
it is the responsibility of the man/woman holding it to know whether or not it is loaded. baldwin evidently didn't know this or he would not have taken this innocents life. he , of coarse can't possibly be held responsible though , because someone else was in charge of the safety of the situation?????????
he may not have loaded it but he damned sure should have been aware of what was in it!!!!!!!
perhaps all actors/actresses should be required to take a simple gun safety coarse before being paid millions to pretend to know how to use them????????????
better yet ,they should be required to go through the same training any officer of the law does. might just change their thinking a bit!


change my mind!
Change your MIND??? I don't think so. I think gun safety should be taught in the 6th grade by a qualified instructor. Everyone needs to know how to
the baldwin incident is a tragedy and my sympathies go out to the family and loved ones of his victim.

but to put that aside for the moment ,,, how does this occur???????????

could it be because few hollywood actor/actresses have any knowledge of guns or gun safety?

this incident is really quite telling as to the why of their anti gun stances . they simply know nothing!!!when it comes to anything gun related they are simply fools!!!!!!! people tend to fear what they do not know.

first rule of gun safety ... when handed a gun , NO GUN IS "SAFE "!!!!!
it is the responsibility of the man/woman holding it to know whether or not it is loaded. baldwin evidently didn't know this or he would not have taken this innocents life. he , of coarse can't possibly be held responsible though , because someone else was in charge of the safety of the situation?????????
he may not have loaded it but he damned sure should have been aware of what was in it!!!!!!!
perhaps all actors/actresses should be required to take a simple gun safety coarse before being paid millions to pretend to know how to use them????????????
better yet ,they should be required to go through the same training any officer of the law does. might just change their thinking a bit!


change my mind!
Change you mind? I don't think so. I think everyone should be required to take firearm safety in the 6th grade. Look how many 12 year olds take up a firearm and safely hunt their first year. It isn't all that hard, just educate.
 

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I'm sure I'm ignorant, but why is there EVER a need for live ammo on a movie set?

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I am quite sure that their definition of "live ammo" and our definition of "live ammo" is quite different.

But until it comes out we don't know just what was shot out of the barrel. A actual bullet, or part of a wad from a blank or something else all together.
 

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Change your MIND??? I don't think so. I think gun safety should be taught in the 6th grade by a qualified instructor. Everyone needs to know how to

Change you mind? I don't think so. I think everyone should be required to take firearm safety in the 6th grade. Look how many 12 year olds take up a firearm and safely hunt their first year. It isn't all that hard, just educate.
yeah but it wouldn't be long before they started teaching common core gun safety or critical gun theories.
 
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I guess I dont know what a blank looks like. But my wife and I were wondering with all of the ammo companies going full bore if maybe somehow a live round got "mis-packed"
 

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I guess I dont know what a blank looks like. But my wife and I were wondering with all of the ammo companies going full bore if maybe somehow a live round got "mis-packed"
possible . but in the end it doesn't matter . man shooting the gun is responsible for what is in it , period!!


I don't believe he intended to do so but baldwin is a killer nonetheless.
 

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Warrant: Baldwin was 'practicing' with gun
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Witnesses said actor Alec Baldwin was "practicing" with a gun when it went off before filming started on the set of "Rust" in New Mexico, according to new information released Sunday in search warrants.
The new information includes previously unreported statements from director Joel Souza and cameraman Reid Russell.
Souza said Baldwin had been practicing Thursday when the gun went off, killing cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, 42, and injuring director Joel Souza, 48, according to the latest warrant information.
The cast and crew had taken a lunch break, and when they returned, Souza told authorities, he wasn’t sure if the firearm to be used by Baldwin had been checked anew for safety.
"Joel advised they returned back to the set after lunch, although he is not sure if the firearm was checked again," the warrant states. "Joel stated they had Alec sitting in a pew in a church building setting, and he was practicing a cross draw. Joel said he was looking over the shoulder of Halayna, when he heard what sounded like a whip and then loud pop."
The director said he vaguely remembers Hutchins' reaction. She was "complaining about her stomach and grabbing her midsection," according to the warrant.
"Joel also said Halayna began to stumble backwards and she was assisted to the ground," it said. "Joel explained that he was bleeding from his shoulder and he could see blood on Halayna."
Camera operator Russell told authorities none of this was captured on camera because the cast and crew were preparing for the scene. He also said he was unsure if the gun had been checked because he had left the area for five minutes for a break.
"Reid said Alec had been very careful, and brought up an instance when a scene was being filmed earlier," the warrant states. "Reid said Alec had made sure it was safe and that a child wasn't near him when they were discharging a firearm during that scene."
The production team behind the film also spoke out Sunday in a letter to cast and crew obtained by NBC News. The team members said production on the western would be halted at least through the investigation by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office, which is trying to determine how a gun with a lethal amount of ammunition got into Baldwin's hands.
The producers urged those who worked on the film before Thursday's shooting to stick together.
"Our hearts are with all of you, as we all go through this tragic time and mourn the loss of our colleague and dear friend, Halyna Hutchins," they said. "We are family and we must stand beside each other as families do in difficult times.

"We remain in close touch with Halyna’s family and commend the strength they show in the face of unspeakable tragedy. It is beyond an inspiration."
The sheriff's office said it would hold a news conference Wednesday to discuss the investigation.
While the director was well enough to give a statement, the production company on Sunday let cast and crew know he was getting better.
"Joel Souza is recovering, and we are supporting him however we can knowing just how difficult his journey is," Rust Movies Production, LLC, said in a letter to its cast and crew. It was not signed by any individuals.
The producers said that although there have been leaks from insiders, members of the cast and crew were not encouraged to speak with reporters.
"As the investigation continues, we cannot respond to the comments that have been making their way into the media, on social media and elsewhere," the company said.
"We are sorry to hear that so many of you are receiving unsolicited contacts from the media while all of us need time and space to grieve and heal. You don’t need to engage, but if you do, just ask the journalists to respect your privacy. It should help."
The producers said they have been cooperating with investigators, and they offered counseling to staff.
"We are conducting an internal review of safety protocols," they said in the letter. "As with any ongoing investigation, we are limited in our ability to say anything further publicly or privately, and ask for your patience in that regards."
Baldwin fired the gun after an assistant director yelled, "Cold gun," which indicates a weapon used for filming is generally safe to fire and is loaded with nonlethal ammunition intended for production, according to previous search warrant information.
Sources familiar with the situation told NBC News the gun in question had misfired previously. And a prop maker who worked with assistant director Dave Halls said he had previously allowed an unsafe working environment.
"He did not maintain a safe working environment," Maggie Goll said in a statement. "Sets were almost always allowed to become increasingly claustrophobic, no established fire lanes, exits blocked. ... Safety meetings were nonexistent."
Halls did not respond to requests for comment.
 

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Someone is getting charged with Negligent Homicide and someone is getting sued.

The only person who will come out on top from this bad situation is the attorneys....That's a fact.
 

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he won't get the needle . but maybe the wuhan death shot isn't off the table . 🤪

what I get from above article is ,baldwin was playing with the gun during a break.
 

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the more comes out the worst it looks in my eyes for baldwin.

they were not filming. he was "practicing"/ playing cross draws .
why was there anything loaded in the gun???????

answer -- extreme negligence and stupidity on baldwins part !!!! doesn't matter who gave him what or did what. he fired the gun while playing "cowboy" with it.
no one is to blame but him!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope the courts show no leniency! especially due to his failure to accept responsibility.

my prayers go out to his victims and their families and loved ones!
 

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It's coming out now that there were some on the set that were using that pistol to target shoot just before all this happened.

So it was a actual cartridge and not a blank. It sounds like they just took it back to the prop table and laid it down. Then the technician handed it to Baldwin later with that live round still in the cylinder without checking to see how it was loaded.
 
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