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    They are both loose black powder substitutes so I don't know why not.

    Might have to actually look at their regulations to be sure.

    Here is Idaho's requirements for the muzzle loader hunt. Number 3 talks about the powders:



    1. Is capable of being loaded ONLY from the muzzle.
    2. Is equipped with a single or double-barrel.
    3. Is loaded ONLY with loose black powder OR other loose synthetic black powder.
    4. Is loaded with a patched round ball OR a conical, unjacketed projectile comprised wholly of lead or lead alloy. No sabots.
    5. Is loaded with a projectile that is within .010 of an inch of the bore diameter.
    6. Is equipped ONLY with a flint OR a percussion cap OR a musket cap. 209 primers are prohibited.
    7. Is equipped with an ignition system in which any portion of the cap is clearly exposed and visible when the hammer of the weapon is cocked and ready to fire.
    8. Has no scope, only open or peep sights. Fiber optic open sites are permitted.
    9. Is free of any electronic devices.
    10. Is at least forty-five (.45) caliber for deer, antelope, or mountain lion.
    11. Is at least fifty (.50) caliber for elk, moose, bighorn sheep, mountain goat, or black bear.


    Here is the ML for Oregon concerning powders:

    It is illegal to hunt with pelletized powders or propellants during muzzleloader-only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only or archery/muzzleloader only. Granular (loose) black powder and black powder substitutes are the only legal propellants during muzzleloader-only seasons and 600 series hunts where there is a weapon restriction of shotgun/muzzleloader only or archery/muzzleloader only.


    So you should be able to use any loose powder like 777 or BH209 but you might have ignition problems if you can't use a 209 primer.
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    Can’t use Blackhorn with a cap, musket or #11 so you can’t use it in states that don’t allow 209 primers.

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    You can use it but you won't have reliable ignition of the powder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimP View Post
    You can use it but you won't have reliable ignition of the powder.
    Unless you think it through

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoHiCntry View Post
    Can’t use Blackhorn with a cap, musket or #11 so you can’t use it in states that don’t allow 209 primers.
    Where there's a will, there's a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Umpqua Hunter View Post
    Unless you think it through
    I agree and wouldn't try it.

    I don't even use those powders in my inline with 209 primers. I have found that I get my best accuracy with Pyrodex.

    I actually have a almost full bottle of both BH209 and 777 sitting on a shelf that I tried out and didn't use all of. I might try them again if I switch loads.
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    maybe it might be worth trying a 2 part load? #11 primer,burn into say 40 gr of 777,then throw 50 gr of bh209 to get a full 90 gr load?im sure the bh209 would fire with some 777 fired first?would have to give it a try and see if there was a good gain in fps?has anybody tried this idea?

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    Blackhorn 209 seems to hard to find by me. Both Cabela's by me didn't carry it. I could order online but they have a $20 hazardous material fee. Cabelas wouldn't ship to the store to save the shipping cost either. I'll have to try Shooter's Supply next time I go by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ore hunter View Post
    maybe it might be worth trying a 2 part load? #11 primer,burn into say 40 gr of 777,then throw 50 gr of bh209 to get a full 90 gr load?im sure the bh209 would fire with some 777 fired first?would have to give it a try and see if there was a good gain in fps?has anybody tried this idea?
    It doesn't take nearly 40 grains, think more like 10% of that, and I wouldn't use 777.

    With 40 grains of 777 you have basically the same mess to deal with as if you are running straight 777, and there are significant safety risks of a duplex load like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mud Farm View Post
    Blackhorn 209 seems to hard to find by me. Both Cabela's by me didn't carry it. I could order online but they have a $20 hazardous material fee. Cabelas wouldn't ship to the store to save the shipping cost either. I'll have to try Shooter's Supply next time I go by.
    Based on my experience with Blackhorn 209, a $20 HAZMAT fee is well worth the advantages it provides.

 

 
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