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    Quote Originally Posted by mallardsx2 View Post
    Anyone know how much it costs to rent a chopper?

    Yes, this is a serious question.
    Normally you can rent for flight time only charges. Need to also calculate reposition flight time also.
    Bell 206 is 1100 to 1400 an hour.
    Robinson R44 is 600 to 700 an hour.


    Anything smaller can't carry your gear. In my opinion.

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    I have actually had quotes done when I was looking at flying in to an area. Plan 3-5k for a one time in one time out with limited gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missjordan View Post
    Heres a newspaper article from 2013 when house bill 235 was rejected to make it legal to corner jump. Montana currently has around 800,000 acres that are landlocked public lands

    http://missoulian.com/news/state-and...9bb2963f4.html


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    For the record, I traveled from Laramie to attend that rally and I'm in the picture in the article.

    That isn't what I asked about, I asked for the law or statute that makes corner crossing illegal, which is going to be tough, because there isn't one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuzzH View Post
    For the record, I traveled from Laramie to attend that rally and I'm in the picture in the article.

    That isn't what I asked about, I asked for the law or statute that makes corner crossing illegal, which is going to be tough, because there isn't one.
    The state of Montana may not have one listed but the DNRC does, try looking at 36.25.161


    All i know if for my personal use, it?s not worth my time and money to wrestle with a landowner or a game warden about the corner jumping law. There are too many other places to hunt that don?t have these issues and I?ve gravitated to those parts instead.

    36.25.161 GENERAL RECREATIONAL USE OF STATE LANDS: OTHER PROVISIONS (1) Nothing in ARM 36.25.143 through 36.25.162 authorizes a recreationist to enter private land to reach state lands or to enter private land from state lands. A recreationist may not enter private land from adjacent state lands, regardless of the absence of fencing or failure of the owner to provide notice, without permission of the landowner or his agent.
    (2) Under 77-1-806(2), MCA, entry onto private land from state land by a recreationist without permission of the landowner is a misdemeanor, whether or not the recreationist knows he or she is on private land.
    (3) Recreationists are responsible for determining whether state lands are legally accessible. The recreationist is encouraged to contact landowners to determine boundaries and to use accurate maps.
    (4) Before the department designates roads on state lands as open for public access pursuant to ARM 36.25.149, it shall mail notice of the proposed designation to the lessee.
    (5) Any person may petition the board to include within the definition of general recreational use any type of recreation other than hunting and fishing. The petition must be in writing, be signed, and include a statement of the reasons why the use petitioned for should be included subject to the general recreational use license. It must be filed with the director, who shall bring the petition before the board. (History: 77-1-209 and 77-1-804, MCA; IMP, 77-1-804 and 77-1- 806, MCA; NEW, 1992 MAR p. 568, Eff. 3/27/92; TRANS, 1996 MAR p. 2384.)


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    I flew around in 500D's when I worked in Alaska. They couldn't haul much.

    I dont know if I would ever fly in a Robinson....I dont trust gas motors in a chopper..lol

    I like the idea of sticking it to the man and getting choppered into a public "honey hole".

    Sorry to be off topic.

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    I've got a couple thousand hours flying the Army version of a Bell 206.
    Nice helicopter. We couldn't haul much along with all the additional military stuff.
    I imagine a straight civilian 206 can haul enough for a hunting trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mallardsx2 View Post
    I flew around in 500D's when I worked in Alaska. They couldn't haul much.

    I dont know if I would ever fly in a Robinson....I dont trust gas motors in a chopper..lol

    I like the idea of sticking it to the man and getting choppered into a public "honey hole".

    Sorry to be off topic.
    Oh yeah valid. I wouldn't get in. a Robinson.. I think Randy Newberg has a hunt on YouTube the he choppers into a landlocked piece of land to elk hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missjordan View Post
    The state of Montana may not have one listed but the DNRC does, try looking at 36.25.161


    All i know if for my personal use, it?s not worth my time and money to wrestle with a landowner or a game warden about the corner jumping law. There are too many other places to hunt that don?t have these issues and I?ve gravitated to those parts instead.

    36.25.161 GENERAL RECREATIONAL USE OF STATE LANDS: OTHER PROVISIONS (1) Nothing in ARM 36.25.143 through 36.25.162 authorizes a recreationist to enter private land to reach state lands or to enter private land from state lands. A recreationist may not enter private land from adjacent state lands, regardless of the absence of fencing or failure of the owner to provide notice, without permission of the landowner or his agent.
    (2) Under 77-1-806(2), MCA, entry onto private land from state land by a recreationist without permission of the landowner is a misdemeanor, whether or not the recreationist knows he or she is on private land.
    (3) Recreationists are responsible for determining whether state lands are legally accessible. The recreationist is encouraged to contact landowners to determine boundaries and to use accurate maps.
    (4) Before the department designates roads on state lands as open for public access pursuant to ARM 36.25.149, it shall mail notice of the proposed designation to the lessee.
    (5) Any person may petition the board to include within the definition of general recreational use any type of recreation other than hunting and fishing. The petition must be in writing, be signed, and include a statement of the reasons why the use petitioned for should be included subject to the general recreational use license. It must be filed with the director, who shall bring the petition before the board. (History: 77-1-209 and 77-1-804, MCA; IMP, 77-1-804 and 77-1- 806, MCA; NEW, 1992 MAR p. 568, Eff. 3/27/92; TRANS, 1996 MAR p. 2384.)


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    I'm not seeing where this even addresses corner crossing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hilltop View Post
    "In 2004, the Wyoming Attorney General?s Office issued an opinion that ?corner crossing? from one parcel of public land to another in order to hunt that other public parcel, depending on the factual situation involved, may not violate the game and fish trespass statute, but may be a criminal trespass violation. The factual situation would include whether the person doing the ?corner crossing? was hunting or intended to hunt private land at the time the corner was crossed."

    The bolded are the key words. The burden of proof falls on your shoulders to show you didn't intend to hunt the private. I'm guessing video would show that clearly but your word against a landowner in any other instance. I haven't done it but would if the right situation dictated it.
    It might help to read the actual AGO. The mere fact that one steps from public to public, while corner crossing, shows the intent to hunt public. In any case, the burden of proof falls on the prosecution last time I looked, which is the very reason these trespass tickets are not written in Wyoming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missjordan View Post
    According to the state of Montana it?s trespassing. Need one of the adjacent landowners permission to corner jump.

    I personally won?t do it even though there?s one section in a area that i Hunt that has a good piece of ground that corner jumps. Thing that?s really screwy is the adjacent land is part of the block management program also but I?ve called to ask if we can still hunt it and FWP said no! It?s really unfortunate that this law hasn?t been changed in my opinion


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    Wait, so the piece of public land that you would have to corner cross to access has a piece of block management attached to it and FWP said you can' t hunt it? That is absolutely wrong. Once you have legal access onto the block management, you absolutely can hunt any public land that attaches to the block management land.
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