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    2018 Colorado changes

    http://cpw.state.co.us/Documents/Buy...d-Lic-Apps.pdf

    No more up front fees.. Previously, I was unwilling to put up the up front fees for MSG, when I had zero chance to draw for the first 3 years or whatever, and then basically no chance to draw after the first 3... But, with no up front fees, I think this changes things? With just an app fee, and the accumulation of points, this looks like a more doable form of a lottery ticket.
    Any thoughts on what this will do to MSG odds? Still not worth it to get in?
    My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.

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    You don't have to front the tag fee anymore but the draw odds are still long. This will only make it way, way worse. Every non-resident in your position and probably some residents too are going to jump in now flooding the application pools making it next to impossible to draw in your lifetime. Personally think it's a really bad idea for Colorado. Not sure why they did it knowing point creep is already out of control and this will only make it worse.

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    Because they get more money. Thats why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mallardsx2 View Post
    Because they get more money. Thats why.
    How's that? Doubt there getting rich off of $3 application fees...

    EDIT: Think I just answered my own question two posts down. Lol!
    Last edited by CoHiCntry; 01-25-2018 at 11:33 AM.

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    More people putting in for the tags results in quite a bit more money. It will surprise you when you look at the number of hunters that will apply for a tag now that you don't have to come up with the money up front.

    When Utah went to post pay the applicants jump by a large number and it reflected it in the draw odd for that year and years after.
    If you don't care where you are, you are not lost....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimP View Post
    More people putting in for the tags results in quite a bit more money. It will surprise you when you look at the number of hunters that will apply for a tag now that you don't have to come up with the money up front.
    No doubt there will be way more applications since you don't have to front the fees. I wasn't seeing how that was going to net them much money when it's like $3 to apply. What I forgot about though is the preference point fees involved if you didn't have a license the previous year. That has never applied to me since I have multiple tags every year. That must be their angle, get more non-residents to apply who don't hunt Colorado every year so they can collect the preference point fees???

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    Plus look at how much that issuing the refunds might cost them. Not the refund itself but the processing and mailing.
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    I'm guessing CPW believes that the increase in application fees will outweigh the short-term interest in license fees that have to be refunded.
    It's hard not to think that this is their solution to not getting the resident fee increases they wanted. I can her the discussion now "fine, don't give me the increases I want, ill flood the application pool and make it almost impossible for you to draw a license". Another data point that CPWs primary focus is income for self and not really hunters, wildlife, and certainly not residents of CO.

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    Their next move will be online copies of the guide books only. Then if you want a paper copy they will charge you for it.

    It is coming down to money and the cost to do business.
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    Still have to pay the 40$ per application unless you buy a nonresident/resident fishing/combo license....

 

 
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