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At this point in agreeing with you. Goal was not to over gun him the first year or 2 being he's a little on the small side, then at 14ish years old buy something that'll fit him for life. I'm planning on doing at least 3 more trips to the range before season, so I got some time to play around...

I think I finally figured out what's going on. If you look at the picture the neck doesn't start on the Winchester for like a half a Milimeter farther up the case, which is causing the causing the tight fit. When I chamber a live round I can notice it takes just a little bit more to close the...

Appreciate the offer, but it's my son's grandma's gun that she first hunted with 40ish years ago, I wouldn't want to change anything major on it. If I can't get it going the right direction without a lot of effort I'll probably look into just buying him his own rifle.

Right ones are Winchester, left Remington. First time I've shot the Winchesters and the barrel was warm when we shot them, so I'll have to try them cold next time we go out. Went back to the Remingtons with a warm barrel after this happen with the Winchesters and there was no issue using them...

First off I appreciate everyone taking time to read and comment with some suggestions, thank you everyone! I colored each shell and they both come out with basically identical markings. One line on the bullet itself from the tip just about to the brass, then a little lower a straight line mark...

All the ammo rode in the same bag on the floor of the truck, cloudy 60's.

None taken what do ever.

I knew what you meant. Bullets unfired are to a T the exact same length, after being fired the cases are the exact same length. Only way I can tell them apart is the Stamp around the primer

Before and after the shot they are the exact same length. I do see a very slight 3 line scratch at an angle towards the back of the brass, but it's on ever casing. Really not sure, to bad those Winchesters were doing a 1" group at 200 yards.

I just went and looked at the brass, I can't see a single thing different from one another, primers look right. No clue, guess I'll give Winchester a shout and see what they say, but it sounds like you guys likely have it right

Okay, so I've never seen anything like this. Took my son target shooting today, he has a 40ish year old Savage 110. When shooting a Remington factory shell the bolt opens like it should, when shooting the Winchester factory rounds you have to pull up a lot harder than you should on the bolt...

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Careful what you wish for on drawing that tag. Wolves, lions, bears, and meat eating deer! Danger around every corner on that hunt!

Some pretty serious tourism dollars to be made if you know where in the Wind Range to view them dinosaurs.

I wish this were a meme, but I took this picture of my daughter's school work today. So i'm posting it as a PSA for all you NR that may travel to Wyoming to deer hunt in the future, or travel through the WRR.

Yeah, nobody knows this answer. Sit back, R-E-L-A-X, and enjoy life until then

About 10 hours later... Note to self, never try remove a stump by hand again, ever.

Beyond just I want to kill an elk, or kill an animal X big what are some unique challenges you've set for yourself? I'd like to take an elk with a shotgun slug. I'd also like to take an antelope with stick and string.

I use blue loctite on all of them, all the way down to my .22

SOB! I've looked at this picture 3 different times an I finally found it, and it isn't where i thought i found it the first 7 times! LOL