Hello again everyone! I was lucky enough to draw Region R in Wyoming. I will be hunting 10/18 to 10/24. I have purchased the Onxmaps Hunt Wyoming chip like many of you have recommended to me already. These maps are absolutely awesome! It looks like there is a ton of BLM land in Region R. What I have read and heard is that I should focus on the most northern part of the state close to the bighorns. Is this correct? I do not want to take anyones hot spot from them but I do have a couple questions.
The first of which is if a road goes through someone's Ranch does it become private? Attached is a picture of an area that I think looks good. I would like to hunt the porcupine creek region. There is a road that starts off of hwy 14a called John Blue Candy Rd. It turns into various unpaved roads and unmarked roads on the gps map but it eventually finds its way by porcupine creek. Can I expect this road to be gated off or marked no trespassing because it goes through a ranch (E. Bischoff). Or since the road starts off on public land and ends on public land it will be a public road? Or will every road be different and I won't know tell I get out there?
The other question I have is which elevation should I be focusing on during this time frame? I know weather will play a factor, like if there is snow I should be lower perhaps 5000ft and if there is no snow higher like 6-7k?
Any help would be great, you guys have been awesome so far!
It looks like you have done some good research. I couldn't tell from the picture, but if it is a county road, you should be able to access the public property, you just can't go off the road or hunt while you are in the private area. Topgun words it better, hopefully he answers.
The John Blue Rd. is pretty popular for recreational users. I didn't see the John Blue Candy Rd. If the road sign says BLM 1122 or whatever, it is a BLM Road and as long as you stay on the road until you get to another BLM section you should be alright I think. Just cruise through the cattle guards like you know what you are doing. BLM is not always well marked, and the land owners don't have to post no trespassing, so just keep checking your GPS when you are ready to get hunting. I think with as much traffic as goes through there, the private is probably marked, though. I knew one of the Bischoff boys growing up, really nice guy, but don't push it, lol. You can also get close to that area taking Forest Service Road 12 which turns into FR 141, its not quite the area you circled I don't think, but you can hunt anywhere that looks cool in the National Forest if your other spot doesn't work. What the road conditions, though, they can get impassable. There are lots of cool archaeology sites and fishing if you get bored, lol. Anyway, short story long, BLM and FS and grassland signs for that manner are the government brown color.
Thanks for the reply againstthewind. I bought the gps chip so I don't trespass, I respect landowners rights immensely; so I won't be pushing anything! I was just curious when it came to the roads; I know how that is in Minnesota I just know things are a lot different out west. You mention cattle guards? Is that like a gate on a road that I would be allowed to drive through since it is a public road? I am not exactly set on this exact area it is just an example of one of many choices in R. Again this website is awesome I appreciate the help.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-cattle-guard.htm . Maybe I should have said auto gates. I couldn't think of how to describe them. You are supposed to honk before you go over them so the trolls can move their fingers before you run them over. . I didn't explain real well, but as long as it is a public road you can drive through private property, you just need to stay on the road.
Awesome I figured that's how it was, but I just wanted to make sure! I feel more comfortable with my planning now! Since your so knowledgable againstthewind, can you recommend things I should look for? Like sharp elevations, intermittent streams, higher vs lower elevation?
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Easy now, nobody said I was knowledgeable .I know thee most about trolls because sometimes I think I made them up, but I am pretty sure someone told me about them when I was a kid. http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...blicaccess.pdf Here is the official dealie-bob for roads and stuff.
Well, here is some general stuff, hopefully people add to it. The weather is unpredictable, be ready for rain, snow, 90 degree heat all in the same day sometimes. Coming down off of 14a is pretty steep. That is the dry side of the mountain in the rain shadow desert. Those really close together topo lines, like right where you circled are the steep parts (you probably knew that sorry). There are a lot of limestone canyons in that part of the Big Horns it seems like, so just have a plan where you are going so you don't get stuck. Porqupine creek runs through a pretty steep canyon if I remember right, it has been a while. The roads can get really muddy when it does rain or snow. The forest roads can also get pretty rough and how far you go sometimes depends on how much you trust your truck. Someone else on another thread asked about bentonite which is uber sticky sinkhole stuff, and Lovell and Greybull are like the Bentonite capitols of the world, so watch out for the grey toothpaste and do not try to gun through if it is wet. That will ruin your day and the tow truck driver's. Porqupine creek is a larger stream that is year round, but you are right, a lot of the smaller streams are intermittent and will be drying up with the snow mostly gone this time of year and Sept. if they aren't dry now. As far as where the deer are, I am not a good one to ask, sorry about that. There are probably some resident dudes that feed off the fields and pastures and go hide out in the breaks, and there are probably some that prefer the forest and even the high scree fields. The Eastman's office isn't all that far away I should let them answer. Anyway I think you have picked a really cool spot that I might want to cruise around in someday, so thanks for leading me that direction.
Good morning guys! Right now I'm still trying to get over the answer to the question of what a cattle guard is, LOL! A lot of people keep asking questions like this about roads going through private property and the answer is this. Just because it's a county maintained road in the public land areas does not mean that it necessarily allows access across private property. Generally if you see a numbered road it will be maintained by either the state, county, BLM, or FS. The state maintained roads are the easiest to spot and any public land they go through would be deemed accessible if you can legally park off the road and not hinder traffic. It gets a lot trickier when you start talking legal access on the other roads when they go through private property because generally they have to have negotiated a public easement through that land in order to allow the public to continue through on it. If they haven't, you may be on one and all of a sudden get to a no trespassing sign. Sometimes this is the case where the owner allows the jurisdiction to go through to allow the easy maintainence of the entire road, but there may not be a legal easement for everyone else to drive on through. There is one road over in antelope unit 23 where that is the case and there were so many tickets being issued and threats by the landowner when they would catch people on the private part that the G&F now has a warning in the WIHA section about it. The main thing you have to realize is that the GPS chip doesn't tell you anything about road access and only shows what the land ownershp is. If the OP has a question about that section of road then he should either call the county and ask the question or contact the landowner to see if he can go through with no access fee. One other thing to realize is that just because a road has a name assigned to it on the map like the one mentioned by the OP does not mean it's a public road it's entire length. It may be, but there is also the chance that only part or even none of it is and the name got on there because it was an old ranching family in the area, etc. Find out by making some calls and get the scoop now BEFORE you go on your trip so you don't get any surprises. If you can't easily get to where you want to hunt one way, you may have to either find a completely different route if there is one or scrap that plan and find another spot that's easily accessible. I found this all out the hard way on my first trip in 1992 and it's not a mistake I've made since then when I'm planning on going anywhere that I haven't been before.
Make sure and take chains and plenty of extra gas, water, and food because up where you're talking about is heck and gone from any services, so you really need to be self sufficient to patch or blow up a tire if you have a problem, etc. I carry a small generator, battery charger, air compressor, chains, and always at least one perfect full size spare whenever I'm off the main roads anywhere out there. Simple stuff like that could save your bacon if the unexpected happens. Now as far as what a cattle guard is, in simple terms it's some spaced out pipes that you can drive over and animals can't walk over to get out of their assigned pasture! Just slow down some when you see one ahead as they can be like a speed bump in a parking lot that you have probably been over before.
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Growing up in Wyoming, I never heard the term "auto gate" till my 20's when I was visiting Yellowstone and had a conversation with a tourist from back East. I had to ask him to explain what he considered an auto gate because I was thinking he was referring to a wire or powder river gate. Haha