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    I have the ED3s. I also bought a set of Diamondbacks to use while the Zen Rays are sent in for warranty. My fault on the damage, I expect to get a new pair but probably not going to make it in time for my elk hunt. As far as glass is concerned I wouldn't give $200. more for ELs. The Zens are not as durable as some of the others. I will be more careful with the next pair. BTW I paid $330.

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    I've been hunting with a friends pair of vortex vipers for most of the scouting season so ill be able to compare the zen-rays side by side. npaden has provided enough information for me to go with the primes. ill get back to everyone with a comparison of the primes vs. the vipers, ill also see if I can get my hands on a pair of razors to throw into the mix. thanks for the input everyone, its great to be part of a very helpful and knowledgeable hunting community. Also for anyone interested in going with zen-ray and are unsure of the warranty (which is a concern for most hunters) here is a link to their page http://www.zen-ray.com/shop/warranty/. its a lifetime no fault same as vortex. great to see that more brands going with this warranty.

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    I'm going to spend the extra coin on a pair of primes. I've used my friends vipers scouting few times this year so ill get them back and do a side by side comparison once I get the primes. for anyone interested in the zen-ray warranty I have the link here http://www.zen-ray.com/shop/warranty/. its essentially the same no fault lifetime warranty as vortex, I also have a 30 day period to send them back if I don't like them. thanks everyone for the advice, its great hearing knowledgeable opinions.

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    I think you will be happy kupper. As far as warrantee, it looks good on paper, my problem was getting ahold of zenray when my binos broke and then getting them shipped back to me not fixed over a month later. I hope you don't have to use their warrantee is all.

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    it is a little late for my 2 cents, but I did not like my primes. during regular daylight hours they performed just fine, but lower value glass (vortex, Alpen) out performed when I did a side by side comparison especially in low light. I had issues with two pair that I purchased having dust on the inside of the glass. the first pair was returned quickly as they had just starting shipping them when they first came out. the second pair took much longer to return and their response time back to me was very slow.

    I don't have them anymore, but would say that for a few $100 bucks more the Razor HD's would be leaps and bounds better then the Primes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JNDEER View Post
    it is a little late for my 2 cents, but I did not like my primes. during regular daylight hours they performed just fine, but lower value glass (vortex, Alpen) out performed when I did a side by side comparison especially in low light. I had issues with two pair that I purchased having dust on the inside of the glass. the first pair was returned quickly as they had just starting shipping them when they first came out. the second pair took much longer to return and their response time back to me was very slow.

    I don't have them anymore, but would say that for a few $100 bucks more the Razor HD's would be leaps and bounds better then the Primes.
    thanks for the advice jndeer. I would like to note that you had an absolutely excellent review on some high quality glass. I feel like the absolute best way to really know what binocular is truly suited to you is to go about it the way you did. The thing I found most true about the primes during my research is that it performed differently for some people due to the large eye cups, I guess I'm really hoping it performs well for me, if it doesn't ill return them and most likely go with either the vipers or bump up to the meopta meostar HD. I will be able to compare my set of primes against both the vipers and razors as soon as they get here. its just challenging financially for me to spend another 1000$ on binoculars after having purchased a new spotter (vortex razor 16-48). ill keep you posted on how I feel the primes compare against the razors and vipers.

    I would like to know what your thoughts were on the razors vs. the cabelas euro.

    thanks!

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    Kupper how did your season go with the Primes?
    I think for the money you really can't go wrong with them. I feel the glass is just as good if not better than the razr HD vortex myself.
    And the price difference is huge.
    Cameraland Demo price "they are brand new"
    Prime $499
    http://www.cameralandny.com/optics2/...y-primehd10x42

    Razr HD $950
    http://www.cameralandny.com/optics/v...8x42_2012model

    Both 10x42

    You pay about twice as much because of the warranty they brag about. I think they come from the same factory really lol!

    For the money Zenray glass really can't be beat and this is coming from a Swaro EL Zeis FL T guy.

    Cameraland has ED3 for $330 by the way, thats a darn good deal as well.


    http://www.cameralandny.com/optics2/...ray-zened30843

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    Quote Originally Posted by kupper View Post
    thanks for the advice jndeer. I would like to note that you had an absolutely excellent review on some high quality glass. I feel like the absolute best way to really know what binocular is truly suited to you is to go about it the way you did. The thing I found most true about the primes during my research is that it performed differently for some people due to the large eye cups, I guess I'm really hoping it performs well for me, if it doesn't ill return them and most likely go with either the vipers or bump up to the meopta meostar HD. I will be able to compare my set of primes against both the vipers and razors as soon as they get here. its just challenging financially for me to spend another 1000$ on binoculars after having purchased a new spotter (vortex razor 16-48). ill keep you posted on how I feel the primes compare against the razors and vipers.

    I would like to know what your thoughts were on the razors vs. the cabelas euro.

    thanks!

    I am glad my review helped you some.

    I wear glasses and would sometimes get a glare using the Razors, it was nothing horrible but noticeable. To me the Razor HD and the SLC HD are very similar in the type of picture you get looking through the glass. Ie shade colors and overall Brightness. The Euro HD and EL's were the opposite and had a more even dull coloration for the picture. I went back and forth and back and forth between the Razor HD and the Euro HD as I honestly liked them both. I would have probably tried another Razor HD to see if I could avoid the glare with my glasses, but if not I would have went with the Euro.

    My brother and cousin also looked through a lot of the binos. They both picked the Razor HD over the Euro and they don't wear glasses.

 

 

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