The biggest deer I saw was about like your second pic. Went in wed. a bout 3 miles at 10k and found bucks like that and smaller instantly. I was able to find them everyday and had several stalks and a couple blown shots ( my fault). I saw a lot of deer, just not HUGE deer which is OK by me, I had a blast and I'm heading back for another 6 days after my antelope hunt next week.