Haven't got the pants yet. Last season I purchased the Llano, Springer Vest, the Labrador and a pair of the Red Desert boxers. All are excellent and do just what they need to do. Started out with them on for early season archery and continued to have them on all the way to the end of rifle season. The fabric kept me warm in the cool mornings, cool as the day heated up and, amazingly, kept me completely odor free day after day. It has been a real pleasure doing business with those guys. Better take out a loan but it's well worth it.