ok guys, i allways give buddies crap for using the wrong pin, i just cant see how it can happen. i was holding on a doe at 50 and as soon as i let go i knew i used my 20 yrd pin!!!!! just like that without thinking about it. i guess all that 20yrd spot shooting kind of kicks in some natural use of the 20 yrd pin. oh well, lesson learned. im the fool.