Ok Folks itís the guy from pa who asks all the questions. I have doing research annoying all of you folks with my questions and thought I had a plan. I was going to take a flyer on a blue chip unit with zero points (stranger things have happened), try another unit then either apply for area 43 or 45 and hunt one of the Hunter Management units. Diamond lake for area 43 or Strouss Hill for 45. So I call Game and fish and I am told the hunter management units wont be updated unit July. So I could apply for a tag and find out the ranch is not participating this year. Ss do these ranches pop on and off the system a lot or is a safe bet they will be available again this year. I could be screwed if they are not because neither has that great of public access. Sorry for the rambling but I am going crazy.