I have hunted down off the rim for the past several years. I have had alot of success hunting there even though the elk numbers werent so great last year but it was unseasonably warm. Lots of access for 4 wheelers which can get to be frustrating. I have only run into two black bears in all the years hunting there and havent seen a griz track yet. Find an area with enough water the help get a good frost on things and that is where you will find the elk.